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Here is some preliminary concept art. I didn't really know what people wanted from the characters, so Lindar and I just tossed some ideas around and this is what I have so far. Everything, including art style, is subject to critique/suggestion. I'm not used to doing cartoony type stuff, mostly realism, but obviously if it's animated we have to have some amount of simplicity. So, let me know what you think. The shading on Beta is a bit different; I don't like it as much as on Chocolate and Alpha. But that's just me.
Here is some preliminary concept art. I didn't really know what people wanted from the characters, so Lindar and I just tossed some ideas around and this is what I have so far. Everything, including art style, is subject to critique/suggestion. I'm not used to doing cartoony type stuff, mostly realism, but obviously if it's animated we have to have some amount of simplicity.
So, let me know what you think. The shading on Beta is a bit different; I don't like it as much as on Chocolate and Alpha. But that's just me.
Okay, here's what I'm thinking I might do instead. It's a bit more fleshed out and realistic-looking. I didn't colour it yet (obviously) because I'm not sure what people will think, but this is the general idea. My main concern is that it looks a bit too anime-ish. However, I think that if I colour it properly and if it's animated the right way, we can avoid that look and be just fine.Let me know what you think.
Okay, here's what I'm thinking I might do instead. It's a bit more fleshed out and realistic-looking. I didn't colour it yet (obviously) because I'm not sure what people will think, but this is the general idea.
My main concern is that it looks a bit too anime-ish. However, I think that if I colour it properly and if it's animated the right way, we can avoid that look and be just fine.
Let me know what you think.
doesn't look bad at all, but i can't really say very much unless it's colored, maybe we get full-body drawings of both characters? i think it wouldn't be terrible to get a little influence from anime. either extreme would be less-than-optimal in my opinion - but i have no taste!
Thought it'd be interesting for those hanging out here: there's a conlangs stackexchange brewing on Area 51. See http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/12409/ for details -- this isn't Lojban-only, but it would be nice if Lojban was more represented.(Note: I am aware of http://lojban.shapado.com .)
Thought it'd be interesting for those hanging out here: there's a conlangs stackexchange brewing on Area 51. See http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/12409/ for details -- this isn't Lojban-only, but it would be nice if Lojban was more represented.
(Note: I am aware of http://lojban.shapado.com .)
I think Lojban needs a new flag...I think the flag of lojban must be that which means lojban!Here is explanation of my flag:Circle and dot- It have two meanings. First it says sun centered universe(Science). Second it says that god is in center a we all just revolve around him(Philosophy).Some thing written at left bottom- It is written lojban in Brahmi script. Brahmi script is oldest alphabetical script. It was first script used to write Sanskrit. It's rules never change, means one spelling for one sound(word). We can write anything which a human can pronounce! Another reason for writing Lojban in brahmi is that it is most culturally neutral language! You can find uncountable cultures within India. All the Indian scripts including the popular devnagri is derived from it. All the scripts of Sri Lanka, Tibetan, Burmese, Thai, all major script of south Asia are derived from it. It influence Middle Eastern script, Hiragana, etc. to some extent.Dotted lines at left and right of the flag- This describes the porous nature of the universe. Noting is smooth in this universe including space-time! That how physicists argue that it is possible to do time travel. As you can notice that pores are not uni-distance- as pores are random...Colors- I have used red, dark-blue and yellow as- blue, red and yellow are colors of rainbow. You may ask- why I used bark blue- not blue? Because dark blue was looking better! Comment is too long. Go here to view the full text.
I think Lojban needs a new flag...I think the flag of lojban must be that which means lojban!
Here is explanation of my flag:
Circle and dot- It have two meanings. First it says sun centered universe(Science). Second it says that god is in center a we all just revolve around him(Philosophy).Some thing written at left bottom- It is written lojban in Brahmi script. Brahmi script is oldest alphabetical script. It was first script used to write Sanskrit. It's rules never change, means one spelling for one sound(word). We can write anything which a human can pronounce! Another reason for writing Lojban in brahmi is that it is most culturally neutral language! You can find uncountable cultures within India. All the Indian scripts including the popular devnagri is derived from it. All the scripts of Sri Lanka, Tibetan, Burmese, Thai, all major script of south Asia are derived from it. It influence Middle Eastern script, Hiragana, etc. to some extent.Dotted lines at left and right of the flag- This describes the porous nature of the universe. Noting is smooth in this universe including space-time! That how physicists argue that it is possible to do time travel. As you can notice that pores are not uni-distance- as pores are random...Colors- I have used red, dark-blue and yellow as- blue, red and yellow are colors of rainbow. You may ask- why I used bark blue- not blue? Because dark blue was looking better!
>>1598or /=, depending on your programming language
>>1598
or /=, depending on your programming language
>>1597>>1598>>1664Or ≠, ya know.
>>1597I prefer to think the man didn't have them all alone, too.Also, I fail to see how the number of a person's children demonstrates his genetic neutrality. Or why we'd want to put Azathoth on our flag. Or why vague references to science are something we should embrace.
>>1597
I prefer to think the man didn't have them all alone, too.
Also, I fail to see how the number of a person's children demonstrates his genetic neutrality. Or why we'd want to put Azathoth on our flag. Or why vague references to science are something we should embrace.
has anyone tried making a lojban keyboard layout using dvorak principles?
it's true dvorak is absolutely great. I saw someone made a kind of prototype for this, but making a complete layout would take a long time and lots of testing.you wouldn't want to have to relearn your typing every time you notice your keyboard could be a bit better like this or like that.I would suggest just using normal dvorak and switching the ' with the "h". that would be fairly good and definitely much better than QWERTY.@ No.1655 virtual keyboard or not doesn't matter. once you've created a layout you can use it with a real or a virtual keyboard. no matter.
it's true dvorak is absolutely great. I saw someone made a kind of prototype for this, but making a complete layout would take a long time and lots of testing.you wouldn't want to have to relearn your typing every time you notice your keyboard could be a bit better like this or like that.I would suggest just using normal dvorak and switching the ' with the "h". that would be fairly good and definitely much better than QWERTY.
@ No.1655 virtual keyboard or not doesn't matter. once you've created a layout you can use it with a real or a virtual keyboard. no matter.
I've considered making a jborak keyboard, hm.
hey look at what i foundhttp://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Evolved%20Lojban%20Keyboard
Why did the original designers of Lojban choose such an ugly sound for X while leaving out the "th" sounds of "thing" and "that"? For that matter they also left out the almost universally used sounds of "a" in "bat" and "i" in "bit".What gives?I have a hard time justifying learning a language that can't adequately pronounce many of my favorite sounds.
Why did the original designers of Lojban choose such an ugly sound for X while leaving out the "th" sounds of "thing" and "that"? For that matter they also left out the almost universally used sounds of "a" in "bat" and "i" in "bit".
What gives?
I have a hard time justifying learning a language that can't adequately pronounce many of my favorite sounds.
Essay on phonology for conlangs:http://www.eskimo.net/~ram/phonology.htmlIt looks to me like the designers of Lojban were aiming for a maximally pronounceable phonology. The "th" and "bit" sounds only appear in 3 of the 25 languages examined in that essay, and the "bat" sound in 4. Not exactly universal. {x}, on the other hand, appears in 10 of 25. It's the least widespread sound used in Lojban.In my experience, people are very attached to the sounds appearing in their native language(s). Learning to pronounce sounds that don't appear in your native language is one of the most difficult things about learning another language. E.g., native Japanese speakers having difficulty with "crown" vs "clown", or native English speakers having trouble with tones. So it makes sense to limit a conlang intended for general use to widespread sounds.
Essay on phonology for conlangs:http://www.eskimo.net/~ram/phonology.html
It looks to me like the designers of Lojban were aiming for a maximally pronounceable phonology. The "th" and "bit" sounds only appear in 3 of the 25 languages examined in that essay, and the "bat" sound in 4. Not exactly universal. {x}, on the other hand, appears in 10 of 25. It's the least widespread sound used in Lojban.
In my experience, people are very attached to the sounds appearing in their native language(s). Learning to pronounce sounds that don't appear in your native language is one of the most difficult things about learning another language. E.g., native Japanese speakers having difficulty with "crown" vs "clown", or native English speakers having trouble with tones. So it makes sense to limit a conlang intended for general use to widespread sounds.
Alot of this is explained in the texts on the lojban website, read some.I could explain a lot of it but the basic answer is just that lojban used several languages as a basis for the sounds or phonetics used, not just english. Some languages don't include some of your favorite english sounds and would be hard for their native speakers to pronounce them. Same with "x", in many european languages, this is a common sound. It's a trade off to gain cultural neutrality. I for one am happy for the less english-ized parts of lojban
I really wish they allowed /ɪ/ and /ʊ/ as allophones of {i} and {u}, instead of buffer vowels.
for those of you who don't know: pimsleur is a language-learning method where each lesson is a 30 minute long audio file (MP3). it's so unbelievably easy to learn using pimsleur that I've learnt as much japanese in 2 months as I learnt german in 5 years at school! plus, it's a handy little audio course that you can put on your MP3 player and listen to anytime anywhere.many people have spent a lot of time creating computer programs to learn lojban.I can't believe, though, that nobody has created a Pimsleur-type audio lesson for learning lojban.it would take a while to make, it's true, but:1) it would be one of the greatest contributions anyone has ever made to lojban2) we could make a simple version first, which would just basically be a translation of an existing Pimsleur lesson. this would already be GREAT help, and we could then (when we have more time), make a "version 2", which would be more professional and lojban-specific.I'm sure lojban speakers will notice the "version 1" has so much success that many will want to help making the "version 2".I don't have a sufficient level in lojban to do it myself, but if nobody is motivated enough, I will do it as soon as I have a sufficient level.please, lojban speakers, making a lesson like this would change the lojban landscape completely.and let's be honest, the language isn't popular enough, and its survival depends on a few websites. this could actually save the language as a whole.
for those of you who don't know: pimsleur is a language-learning method where each lesson is a 30 minute long audio file (MP3). it's so unbelievably easy to learn using pimsleur that I've learnt as much japanese in 2 months as I learnt german in 5 years at school! plus, it's a handy little audio course that you can put on your MP3 player and listen to anytime anywhere.many people have spent a lot of time creating computer programs to learn lojban.I can't believe, though, that nobody has created a Pimsleur-type audio lesson for learning lojban.it would take a while to make, it's true, but:1) it would be one of the greatest contributions anyone has ever made to lojban2) we could make a simple version first, which would just basically be a translation of an existing Pimsleur lesson. this would already be GREAT help, and we could then (when we have more time), make a "version 2", which would be more professional and lojban-specific.I'm sure lojban speakers will notice the "version 1" has so much success that many will want to help making the "version 2".
I don't have a sufficient level in lojban to do it myself, but if nobody is motivated enough, I will do it as soon as I have a sufficient level.please, lojban speakers, making a lesson like this would change the lojban landscape completely.and let's be honest, the language isn't popular enough, and its survival depends on a few websites. this could actually save the language as a whole.
>>1656> this could actually save the language as a whole.u'i Save it from what? Lojban audio lessons are a good idea though.
>>1656
> this could actually save the language as a whole.
u'i Save it from what? Lojban audio lessons are a good idea though.
Am I allowed to have "'" at the end of my name? Never seen it in a lojban word but would make converting my name easier lolBy the way my name is Isaiah, pronounced eyezayh
Am I allowed to have "'" at the end of my name? Never seen it in a lojban word but would make converting my name easier lol
By the way my name is Isaiah, pronounced eyezayh
It would not be valid. It may only be used between two vowels.
Could you use some sort of phonetic alphabet please? I can imagine several very different pronunciations of "eyezayh".
Use X.
xumbi'o: chemical reactionxumbi'o porsi: corrosionOpinions?
xumbi'o: chemical reactionxumbi'o porsi: corrosion
Opinions?
Chemical reactions are more electron-swapping than anything.{dicka'u nunbasti} or something along those lines. I have a feeling I just made a rubbish tanru but that's the idea.
culno lo fa'orma'o
How can one translate "to get/become [fully] adjective" using only tenses? My best guess is {mo'u co'a} ("to finish beginning to bridi"), but I am not fully satisfied with it.
i.e. "Our kittens got cute and began to leave the lair": {le mi citmlatu mo'u co'a melbi gi'e co'a di'i cliva le zdani}