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At first, I found Lojban's rafsi system inconvenient, as the forms are not always predictable (e.g. "cal" and "ca'u" of "canlu"), while in Esperanto every word's stem form for a compound is predictable (e.g. "spac" of "spaco" by simply leaving out the suffix). But the Lojban rafsi may actually be a good thing. They never form into a homonym. But the Esperanto stems sometimes do. Examples: filino => fil-in-o (son girl = daughter) => fi-lin-o (dirty linen) propraokule => propr-a-okul-e (proper eye) => propr-a-ok-ul-e (proper eight guy) => pro-pra-okul-e (due-to ancient eye) => pro-pra-ok-ul-e (due-to ancient eight guy) rezonkapable => rezon-kapabl-e (reason capable) => re-zon-kapabl-e (re-gird capableDo you know any other homonyms in Esperanto?How far can we say that Lojban is free of homonym? Is it possible that a fu'ivla happen to be of the same spelling as another one with different meaning?
At first, I found Lojban's rafsi system inconvenient, as the forms are not always predictable (e.g. "cal" and "ca'u" of "canlu"), while in Esperanto every word's stem form for a compound is predictable (e.g. "spac" of "spaco" by simply leaving out the suffix). But the Lojban rafsi may actually be a good thing. They never form into a homonym. But the Esperanto stems sometimes do. Examples:
filino => fil-in-o (son girl = daughter) => fi-lin-o (dirty linen)
propraokule => propr-a-okul-e (proper eye) => propr-a-ok-ul-e (proper eight guy) => pro-pra-okul-e (due-to ancient eye) => pro-pra-ok-ul-e (due-to ancient eight guy)
rezonkapable => rezon-kapabl-e (reason capable) => re-zon-kapabl-e (re-gird capable
Do you know any other homonyms in Esperanto?
How far can we say that Lojban is free of homonym? Is it possible that a fu'ivla happen to be of the same spelling as another one with different meaning?
Consider "virgutilo" (vir-gut-il-o || virg-util-o). No, I don't know what it means, it has been invented as a generic insult word. ;-)
There are plenty of similar-sounding words (egg vs. soda), and there are many cmavo that are the same as rafsi, so it's fun to play on mishearing cmavo as rafsi applied as a lujvo.Example: {mi ca'o klama}Means (and can only mean): I continue to go.Funny mishearing: I window-go.You can't have {ca'oklama} as a lujvo because it fails to have a cluster in the first five letters. So, it's funny, but we really don't have anything that falls apart like that (see 'tosmabru'), but it's funny to reply, when one says {mi ca'o broda}, with {ma canko}.
There are plenty of similar-sounding words (egg vs. soda), and there are many cmavo that are the same as rafsi, so it's fun to play on mishearing cmavo as rafsi applied as a lujvo.
Example: {mi ca'o klama}
Means (and can only mean): I continue to go.Funny mishearing: I window-go.
You can't have {ca'oklama} as a lujvo because it fails to have a cluster in the first five letters. So, it's funny, but we really don't have anything that falls apart like that (see 'tosmabru'), but it's funny to reply, when one says {mi ca'o broda}, with {ma canko}.
>>1403mi'e la .lindar.(New machine!)
>>1403
mi'e la .lindar.
(New machine!)
>>1400There's a small list of Esperanto homonyms at:http://www.xibalba.demon.co.uk/jbr/ranto/w.htmlThe rules for building Lojban compound-words (lujvo) are designed so that there's only one possible way to break apart each word. Theoretically, a fu'ivla can have multiple definitions, but in practice when this happens both remain as type-3 fu'ivla, with a classifier rafsi attached to the front to distinguish which meaning is intended.>>1403Technically, "ca'oklama" has a consonant cluster in the first five non-apostrophe, non-"y" letters. "ca'o" breaks off in this case because the consonant cluster "kl" is a valid initial cluster, and "ca'o" doesn't have any stress. "ca'orklama" is a lujvo because "rk" isn't a valid initial cluster, and "ca'okla" is a lujvo because the "o" is stressed.The rules for making certain that words and compounds can only be parsed in one way have, I suspect, become a bit more baroque than the initial language designers expected.
>>1400
There's a small list of Esperanto homonyms at:http://www.xibalba.demon.co.uk/jbr/ranto/w.html
The rules for building Lojban compound-words (lujvo) are designed so that there's only one possible way to break apart each word. Theoretically, a fu'ivla can have multiple definitions, but in practice when this happens both remain as type-3 fu'ivla, with a classifier rafsi attached to the front to distinguish which meaning is intended.
Technically, "ca'oklama" has a consonant cluster in the first five non-apostrophe, non-"y" letters. "ca'o" breaks off in this case because the consonant cluster "kl" is a valid initial cluster, and "ca'o" doesn't have any stress. "ca'orklama" is a lujvo because "rk" isn't a valid initial cluster, and "ca'okla" is a lujvo because the "o" is stressed.
The rules for making certain that words and compounds can only be parsed in one way have, I suspect, become a bit more baroque than the initial language designers expected.