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How do you express "broda right in front of ko'a"?
>>1401 broda vi ca'u ko'a
>>1401
broda vi ca'u ko'a
>>1405Okay, but doesn't {vi} mean "a short distance from the speaker"? The speaker's position is irrelevant in my case.
>>1407 "vi" indicates a short distance from whatever the reference point is. When no reference point is given explicitly, the speaker is a strong candidate as being the intended reference point. In this case, the reference point is given explicitly as "ko'a".
>>1407
"vi" indicates a short distance from whatever the reference point is. When no reference point is given explicitly, the speaker is a strong candidate as being the intended reference point. In this case, the reference point is given explicitly as "ko'a".
>>1408And how do you give the reference point explicitly?If you use {vi} as a sumtcita, it tags the actual distance, right? --- not the reference point.
>>1408
And how do you give the reference point explicitly?
If you use {vi} as a sumtcita, it tags the actual distance, right? --- not the reference point.
>>1409 Right, I use selma'o VA to tag distances and selma'o FAhA to tag the reference point. (Others use both FAhA and VA to tag a reference point, but then they run into trouble when trying to give explicit distances.)In case you really don't want to specify any direction, but you still want to give a distance from some reference point, the least specific FAhA to use I think is "ne'a". If that is still too specific, I use "ki" to specify a reference point without giving any indication of direction.
>>1409
Right, I use selma'o VA to tag distances and selma'o FAhA to tag the reference point. (Others use both FAhA and VA to tag a reference point, but then they run into trouble when trying to give explicit distances.)
In case you really don't want to specify any direction, but you still want to give a distance from some reference point, the least specific FAhA to use I think is "ne'a". If that is still too specific, I use "ki" to specify a reference point without giving any indication of direction.
>>1410Interesting, thanks. Can you also explain how to use {ki} for that purpose?
>>1410
Interesting, thanks. Can you also explain how to use {ki} for that purpose?
>>1411 "ki" is used to fix a reference point, so the term "ki ko'a" will fix "ko'a" as the reference point.
>>1411
"ki" is used to fix a reference point, so the term "ki ko'a" will fix "ko'a" as the reference point.
>>1412Isn't that the other way around? According to CLL, "ki" works left-wise:http://www.lojban.org/no/publications/reference_grammar/chapter10.html
>>1412
Isn't that the other way around? According to CLL, "ki" works left-wise:http://www.lojban.org/no/publications/reference_grammar/chapter10.html
>>1413"ki" will be the last member in a compound tag, but "ko'a" is the tagged sumti, not part of the tag. The tagged sumti comes after the tag.
>>1413
"ki" will be the last member in a compound tag, but "ko'a" is the tagged sumti, not part of the tag. The tagged sumti comes after the tag.