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According to jbofi'e,lo pe da a de broda cu brodeis grammatical, but notlo da a de broda cu brode... why?
According to jbofi'e,
lo pe da a de broda cu brode
is grammatical, but not
lo da a de broda cu brode
... why?
I could be totally off, but I will give a crack at it. I think what's happening is that because {da,de,etc...} are pro-sumti, jbofi'e sees {lo da} and expects another sumti (i.e. {lo da mlatu}). So it sees {lo da .a} and gets confused. Meanwhile, the first one is ok because the {pe} puts an implicit {zo'e} in before it... or something? at which point it's fine because it's { (lo zo'e (pe da .a de) broda) cu brode) so the zo'e and broda become a tanru.If any more certu type folks need to correct me, please do.
I could be totally off, but I will give a crack at it. I think what's happening is that because {da,de,etc...} are pro-sumti, jbofi'e sees {lo da} and expects another sumti (i.e. {lo da mlatu}). So it sees {lo da .a} and gets confused. Meanwhile, the first one is ok because the {pe} puts an implicit {zo'e} in before it... or something? at which point it's fine because it's { (lo zo'e (pe da .a de) broda) cu brode) so the zo'e and broda become a tanru.
If any more certu type folks need to correct me, please do.
>>1509{lo da broda} is equivalent to {lo broda pe da}, but only simple sumti are allowed in the first case (i.e., no logically connected sumti). >>1510 is correct about why {lo da a ...} confuses the parser, but {lo pe da e de [ge'u] broda} doesn't have an implicit zo'e; that's just a normal relative phrase, but attached to a different location than normal. It's almost the same as {lo broda pe da e de}. See http://jbotcan.org/docs/cll/c8/s6.html for details about where relative phrases can be attached to a sumti.
>>1509
{lo da broda} is equivalent to {lo broda pe da}, but only simple sumti are allowed in the first case (i.e., no logically connected sumti). >>1510 is correct about why {lo da a ...} confuses the parser, but {lo pe da e de [ge'u] broda} doesn't have an implicit zo'e; that's just a normal relative phrase, but attached to a different location than normal. It's almost the same as {lo broda pe da e de}. See http://jbotcan.org/docs/cll/c8/s6.html for details about where relative phrases can be attached to a sumti.