>>284

How would bulleted lists work with this system?

Also, using a "." followed by "y" or a "'" followed by "a" are awkward.

Where is version 4?

Final version with documentation is here:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0aL1oAS_j4yZjZKa3ZYYUNUdnVZdHdEMW5pMGdJUQ/edit?pli=1#

Sorry it took so damn long. I get distracted :P

A problem is that no two gismu are distinguished by last letter only, so this would have to stay the same.

There are about 2300 English four-letter words, whilst Lojban only has about 1300 gismu (an average of 260 sharing a common final letter). This would make loi jbovlaserti quite difficult.

la nikle gerku is perhaps the oldest lojban word game. It involves making a story around a fictional "nickle dog", but it's very unlike a word ladder. Also, in general, no two gismu differ only in one letter (there are a few exceptions). Another, slightly less famous game is vlalinkei, the word-chain-game. Words are said one after the other by the players to form the most complicated sentence, in an attempt to form both an interesting story, but also to trip up other players. With more skilled lojbanists, this game becomes extremely hard to win at.

When you lojbanize a name or fu'ivla, you convert sounds not present in Lojban to their nearest equivalent. The closest Lojban equivalent of ø is e. This is no worse than, for example, Lojbanizing the name Theodore to .tiodor. by replacing θ with t.

Isn't {y} like "ø"? It is like "ö" anyway. Call it a flaw all you like, no language support the full IPA natively and it would be well beyond the scope of lojban to do so. OMG we must support nonhuman sounds too! Where would you draw the limit? Human? Who defines human? ...

I think the point is not to support all possible sounds but to only support ones that are found in most of the largest languages and that don't sound similar. That is, not having uncommon sounds is a feature, not a bug.

These symbols are usually only used in Taiwan. The people in Mainland China who use Mandarin use the Latin alphabet. Also, the fact that there is not a standardized bunch of shapes to represent letters in Lojban mean there's going to be a lot of different set of letters to be learned Lojban actually ever comes into place worldwide.

Plus, there's a mistake in this alphabet - the Chinese e (ㄜ) is different from the Lojban e, but more similar to Lojban y. A more accurate one should be as follow:
a ㄚ
e ㄝ
i ㄧ
o ㄛ
u ㄨ
y ㄜ

>>638
It appears you can upload supposedly non-supported files, so here's that document.
If you don't have a font that supports many Unicode characters, la'e la'e zoi gy. http://www.linuxlibertine.org/index.php?id=91&L=1 gy. is a good one.

but i still dont understand why they cant use the H instead of the postopher, H does not represent any other sound in lojban

I think I remember hearing an explanation for why they chose '. So this is all conjecture based on old and vague memories.
The ' is going to be a common thing since it is used very often, so they wanted to choose a letteral/symbol that was "lightweight" and not harsh and distracting. And not giving it it's own "real" letter like "h" helps to set it apart since it really isn't a "real" letter like the rest.

.y'y. is used to make different "shapes" of vowels, separating "oi" and "o'i". It never occurs outside of two vowels and only serves that one purpose, so it should not be considered a lerfu. Even when counting lerfu to determine whether something is a gismu or not. I think. I can't remember who told me that.

Funnily enough, I myself have already submitted orthographies for both D'ni and Katakana. The kana one was just recently in the Lojban mailing list, but the D'ni one was years ago. Let me see if I can find it in the archives....

Found it! Now let's see how our two compare....

>>575

The Lojban alphabet has exactly 25 letters, and the D'ni script is based on a base-5 numerology. It might be nice to try to only use the 25 "core" letters, though I'm not sure if there's a sensible mapping to make that work.

Agree.
Although not necessarily arabic, latin characters are not good.
Script is better in terms of flow and readability.

Er, last one is supposed to be
لا .رأبين. پرامي لأ ري گإرکو

I like that script.
I've uploaded some handwriting.
The example word is "cookie"
The first row is latin.
The second row is trying Larlermorna.
The third row is Tengwar.
The last row is modified Hangul.

Am I using Larlermorna correctly?
{ki'e}

>>625
What's up with that modified Hangul? Is backwards ㅌ part of the modification? If you're doing script examples, throw in تِتنَنبَ too.

626, Thanks for showing me.

I confused the hangul 'tigeut' with the direction of the larlermorna 'ty.'.

"Modified hangul" means adding symbols for sounds like Lojban's 'c' 'l' 'v' and 'x'.

In studying Lojban with larlermorna/lindarscript
I've converged on a form where the second set of consonants have 1 line extended like a tail, but 'r' and 'v' and 'b' need a slight squiggle.

The rules of larlermorna are simple enough to allow many ways or writing, I really like like that.

But an that advantage lowercase latin has had is each letter looks unique except maybe 'l' and 'i'.

It is still better for me to study with larlermorna so, for example, when I see words like "nanmu" I know to pronounce it "n(ah)nmu" without the 'a' that is in english "man".

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