Wow, I'm stupid. >_>
Reply outside of a thread.
Now people will really want to demo my script.

Anyway, that aside, here's my interpretation of Hugglesworth's idea regarding the diacritics. I'd really like to see this work, because it's very creative, but the system of combining diacritics fails at a certain point (Initial U/I). The only thing I really did was rearrange the vowel boxes (his version was originally flipped so that A and U were on top, I think, so I just switch things around so it stayed in the order that I like).

Wow, triple stupid.

>>"Here we have featured the diacritics featured in this script."

Did I mention that I work for the Department of Redundancy Department that I work for?

Anyway, finally we have a nice blurry example of the way that I write larlermorna. You may notice a strange little S sitting there acting like a denpa bu, but it's actually the ' character. When ' was picked over h it was because it visually separated things, so S amongst |'s and -'s I thought was quite visually jarring.

Thank you for joining me on this wild and misposted journey. Have fun writing!

I seem to have caused some confusion with my vowels. I'm going to attach my entire (drunken) proposal to this post and try to clear some things up.

Two things wrong with what I see in lindar's example. First is that lindar changed the ordering around, and the concept falls apart unless one of two things happens: 1) you swap i & u only 2) you rotate either the original or the i/u swapped arrangement in 90˚ increments. I also think I see lindar using a bottom to top approach with constructing the 'ai' vowel combination, which makes sense because with the modified ordering 'e' and 'ai' take the same spot.

I can see how confusion started, and I hope I can quell any misunderstandings that I may have caused.

Yeah, I only really got the gist of your idea and put my own spin on it.

I have to admit... I really like what hugglesworth did with the vowels. And I also like that doing it that way makes the ' character be 'o' since I had always believed that they made the "h" sound a ' because of its light-weightedness, not because of its "visual jaring"ness.

After checking myself (I am notorious for remembering things poorly, if not polarly opposite to reality) I found this: http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter3.html#s3

So, that's why I like "o" for ' instead of S.

That and I like the fact that it shows up in the grid this way

lindar wanted me to post a better writeup of the vowel system.

>>530 looks sweet hugglesworth. Except, I don't get why {ei} is:
___
| |

There isn't even a "floor" line for the "e" part of it.
I would have thought it'd be something like:
_
|_
|

oops, formatting screw up in my last post. Here, I've made a picture

To be perfectly honest, I really like the idea behind it, and that all of the different vowels and diphthongs make sense in their placement. However, there are two big issues with this.

1. How small or sloppy can they be written before it becomes difficult to read?
2. It's just too hard to remember all of these combinations. I know mine seems a bit silly/arbitrary, but it also loosely allows for triphthongs (for example, you could easily write la .tuein. as two letters, even though UEI isn't -technically- a valid diacritic), whereas I can't quite figure those out in yours. So I don't think that convolution necessarily makes something better. The idea behind it is really good, and I'd like to see you (Huggles, paf, and anybody else interested) take off with it. It'll be like the cyrillic to my Latin, and while I may be a butthurt whiny-baby about it, I think that a fair bit of competition is good, and it's linguistic darwinism in that one of them eventually will be better and the other one will probably get dropped (or at least Loglan'd).

So, please continue on with this huggles-lermorna and work on the details. If you come up with a name for it and a sufficient body of work to explain it, then either you or I can make a video regarding it much like I've done with larlermorna, and of course I can let CC Elian know about the variant script and ask his opinion of it.

Kinda take my video as a blueprint and do the various examples of your non-diacritic thing that you're doing so I can see exactly how dot-placement is done. You need to write full bridi, show how cmene are written, illustrate various UI and other cmavo, and so on.

I encourage you to seriously stress-test this, especially with those complex diphthong characters that you have. Write it as small as possible, write it HUGE, write it very neat, write it very sloppy, in bubble letters, while drunk, while sleepy, on a small pad of paper using your thigh as a rest while you're standing up, and see where it starts to break apart.

...hmmmm...

kurlermorna ???

Oh, maybe you want to ask remod to join you?
http://jbotcan.org/ideas/res/496.html
He had his own opinions, so maybe the three of you can smash your ideas together?
Seems pretty cool.
cheer Go kurlermorna! cheer

maybe. I mostly just liked that the vowels were on the first cycle since they probably see more usage and I find them easier to write than the second or third cycles.

Also, lindar, I was a little confused by your diphthongs and just what exactly that line meant that you say indicated leading/trailing "i".

Can you explain a little more about how that works?

Woa shit pafcribe, good catch. I'm not sure how that made it in there. I'm still not sure I like this arrangement. I might play with some flips latter on to get a better organization as the proper 'ei' drawing looks too similar too a 'n' for my liking. I've also been looking at replacing the dot in the third cycle with a crossing line for readability; like what you see on a Latin 't'.

Also lindar, I'm slowely adopting this for use in a hangul-like script as well as latin-like and cursive scripts. At the end of it all, my ideas might mutate to look pretty different from larlermorna.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqdNNKJ1nvY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMs3u229Y8k
Overlining is initial I (.ia .ia .ii .io .iu) and underlining is initial U (.ua .ue .ui .uo .uu).

Watch the videos for a comprehensive guide.

>>539

Well, I guess I've already seen the Latin-like version of your script (left-to-right non-diacritic, right?). I can imagine what the hangul-like will be (kanji-esque gismu, etc.), but the idea of how the cursive script looks completely eludes me. It's very interesting!

I guess you have to credit me for inspiration. =P