The definition of {zo gerku} is "x1 is a dog/canine of species/breed x2".So for {la djak. e la ripr. gerku}, does this mean that Jack and Ripper are the same dog?
The definition of {zo gerku} is "x1 is a dog/canine of species/breed x2".
So for {la djak. e la ripr. gerku}, does this mean that Jack and Ripper are the same dog?
>>389 No. You might want to think of such definitions as "x1 is an example of..."[zo <<.e] usually means "...and..., treated seperately/individually". [zo <<joi] is an "and" that treats them as a mass.Also, my rule of thumb is: Lojban will usually use whatever is more useful, likely, logical, and probably wide-spread. By this rule, [zo <<gerku] is means the aforementioned definition because that one will most likely be more useful and used more often. It also is more probable ([zo'o .ui]most people would not immediately think of the snag that you did).Of course, this does not mean that the dogs can not be the same, nor treated as a mass. But I would use [zo <<goi] and/or [zo <<joi], respectively, in order to eliminate such possible questions.Hope this helps.
>>389
No. You might want to think of such definitions as "x1 is an example of..."
[zo <<.e] usually means "...and..., treated seperately/individually". [zo <<joi] is an "and" that treats them as a mass.
Also, my rule of thumb is: Lojban will usually use whatever is more useful, likely, logical, and probably wide-spread. By this rule, [zo <<gerku] is means the aforementioned definition because that one will most likely be more useful and used more often. It also is more probable ([zo'o .ui]most people would not immediately think of the snag that you did).
Of course, this does not mean that the dogs can not be the same, nor treated as a mass. But I would use [zo <<goi] and/or [zo <<joi], respectively, in order to eliminate such possible questions.
Hope this helps.
{.e} can always be expanded to {.i je}:la djak .e la ripr cu gerku= la djak cu gerku .i je la ripr cu gerkuThey don't have to be the same dog, nor of the same breed.
{.e} can always be expanded to {.i je}:
la djak .e la ripr cu gerku= la djak cu gerku .i je la ripr cu gerku
They don't have to be the same dog, nor of the same breed.
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