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No.898  

Can a lujvo be made that is of the format: CVVCV'V
or does it have [.e'i] to be CVVr/nCV'V?

What are the possible lujvo forms (first the ones that need no hyphen, then those that do (not including .ybu.))?

>> No.899  

>>898

" CVVCV'V " would fall apart. Consider the proposed lujvo [lo'u <<gaice'u>> le'u] ("container lid type of community"- whatever that means). It would not mean lid-community, but something closer to [lu <<su'u gai ce'u>> li'u], which would mean "The abstraction that sixteen something..."

>> No.900  

>>899

Okay, thank you.

Can I make a CVCCV'V lujvo?

>> No.901  

>>900

[.ia go'i]

It would try to break apart either as " CVCCV 'V " (which cannot exist- .y'y. must be between to vowels of the same word) or, to avoid the .y'y. problem, " CV CCV'V ".

If you want to be on the safe side, [.ia jeima] one can always attach a hyphen when it would not disrupt the word. I think that it operates similar to the buffer vowel... I would verify that claim before you start wildly using it whenever you feel like, though, if I were you.

>> No.902  

>>898

There are an infinite number of forms, so I don't think a full list would fit here. If we limit ourselves to two-part lujvo, then you can combine any rafsi of form CCV, CVC, CVV, CV'V, CCVCy, CVCCy as initial, with any rafsi of form CCV, CVV, CV'V, CCVCV, CVCCV as final. That's 6x5=30 forms:

CCVCCV, CCVCVV, CCVCV'V, CCVCCVCV, CCVCVCCV
CVC(y)CCV, CVC(y)CVV, CVC(y)CV'V, CVC(y)CCVCV, CVC(y)CVCCV(*)
CVVCCV, CVVrCVV, CVVrCV'V, CVVrCCVCV, CVVrCVCCV
CV'VCCV, CV'VrCVV, CV'VrCV'V, CV'VrCCVCV, CV'VrCVCCV
CCVCyCCV, CCVCyCVV, CCVCyCV'V, CCVCyCCVCV, CCVCyCVCCV
CVCCyCCV, CVCCyCVV, CVCCyCV'V, CVVCCyCCVCV, CVCCyCVCCV

The (y)'s are required whenever the two C's cannot appear together.
The form marked with (*), i.e. CVC(y)CVCCV, will also require a "y" when the CC pair is a valid initial, because without it, it would break as CV CCVCCV. This is known as "tosmabru failure".

More generally, to make a lujvo you just string together any number of rafsi, you insert "y" between impermissible C's, you insert -r- after an initial CVV or CV'V (only exception: CVVCCV, CV'VCCV, which can't fall apart), and you insert "y" after an initial CVC if the CV can otherwise fall off (for two-part lujvo this can only happen in CVC+CVCCV).

Looks complicated, but it follows a certain logic.


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