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Impossible sounds Henrik Hansen
08/12/07(Sun)18:08 No.311
Impossible sounds Henrik Hansen 08/12/07(Sun)18:08 No.311   [Reply] []

The sound ø, is, as far as I can see, impossible to do in the current set of sounds that Lojban offer.
This is a big flaw if it's true!!!
Serval names are impossible to convert, and the language pronouncification don't utilize the humans voice inertly.

So is this true, is Lojban incomplete, and if this is intentional, what would you do with a name like Søren Østergård
So should we add n

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Anonymous
08/12/07(Sun)19:08 No.312 []

When you lojbanize a name or fu'ivla, you convert sounds not present in Lojban to their nearest equivalent. The closest Lojban equivalent of ø is e. This is no worse than, for example, Lojbanizing the name Theodore to .tiodor. by replacing θ with t.

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donri
08/12/08(Mon)04:25 No.314 []

Isn't {y} like "ø"? It is like "ö" anyway. Call it a flaw all you like, no language support the full IPA natively and it would be well beyond the scope of lojban to do so. OMG we must support nonhuman sounds too! Where would you draw the limit? Human? Who defines human? ...

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RE: Impossible sounds Anonymous
12/04/28(Sat)16:18 No.641 []

I think the point is not to support all possible sounds but to only support ones that are found in most of the largest languages and that don't sound similar. That is, not having uncommon sounds is a feature, not a bug.

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jbopomofo orthography cntrational
11/09/30(Fri)16:05 No.632
jbopomofo orthography cntrational 11/09/30(Fri)16:05 No.632   [Reply] []

An orthography meant to be used with a Chinese orthograhpy.

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a ㄚ
e ㄜ
i ㄧ
o ㄛ
u ㄨ
y ㄩ

f ㄈ
v ㄑ
x ㄏ

s ㄙ

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RE: jbopomofo orthography chocodum
11/11/17(Thu)04:26 No.635 []

These symbols are usually only used in Taiwan. The people in Mainland China who use Mandarin use the Latin alphabet. Also, the fact that there is not a standardized bunch of shapes to represent letters in Lojban mean there's going to be a lot of different set of letters to be learned Lojban actually ever comes into place worldwide.

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RE: jbopomofo orthography YH
12/03/30(Fri)04:39 No.640 []

Plus, there's a mistake in this alphabet - the Chinese e (ㄜ) is different from the Lojban e, but more similar to Lojban y. A more accurate one should be as follow:
a ㄚ
e ㄝ
i ㄧ
o ㄛ
u ㄨ
y ㄜ

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Yet another script lukys
11/12/29(Thu)07:04 No.637
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Yet another script lukys 11/12/29(Thu)07:04 No.637   [Reply] []

This one was crafted with the notion of simplicity at mind. The letters are designed so that they are one stroke each. I have made an .odt file with some Unicode approximations I have found. They are overall pretty close to what I had in mind.
The vowels are a bit unique. They are made by drawing the lines adjacent or tangent (depending on whether it's on a corner or not) to the specific vowel on the IPA vowels chart and circling the vowel.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPA_vowels_chart_with_audio).
Please let me know what you think.

Here is the .odt file, and I will produce a .doc file on request:
http://www.2shared.com/file/5XjOerYq/lukys_script.html

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RE: Yet another script lukys
11/12/29(Thu)07:04 No.638 []
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RE: Yet another script lukys
11/12/29(Thu)07:06 No.639 []

>>638
It appears you can upload supposedly non-supported files, so here's that document.
If you don't have a font that supports many Unicode characters, la'e la'e zoi gy. http://www.linuxlibertine.org/index.php?id=91&L=1 gy. is a good one.

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question Anonymous
10/05/28(Fri)00:56 No.566
question Anonymous 10/05/28(Fri)00:56 No.566   [Reply] []

why ljban use the apostopher for the "h" sound
and why not the apostopher for the stops

explain me why

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RE: question Anonymous
10/11/08(Mon)07:26 No.590 []

but i still dont understand why they cant use the H instead of the postopher, H does not represent any other sound in lojban

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RE: question la cribe
10/11/08(Mon)14:46 No.591 []

I think I remember hearing an explanation for why they chose '. So this is all conjecture based on old and vague memories.
The ' is going to be a common thing since it is used very often, so they wanted to choose a letteral/symbol that was "lightweight" and not harsh and distracting. And not giving it it's own "real" letter like "h" helps to set it apart since it really isn't a "real" letter like the rest.

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RE: question chocodum
11/11/17(Thu)04:33 No.636 []

.y'y. is used to make different "shapes" of vowels, separating "oi" and "o'i". It never occurs outside of two vowels and only serves that one purpose, so it should not be considered a lerfu. Even when counting lerfu to determine whether something is a gismu or not. I think. I can't remember who told me that.

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shavian characters: a proposal remod
09/09/01(Tue)18:01 No.397
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shavian characters: a proposal remod 09/09/01(Tue)18:01 No.397   [Reply] []

I put together a two pages document showing how shavian could be used to write Lojban. If you spend a couple of minutes looking at the examples, things could even start making sense :)

Whether is a good idea to use a different script than Latin or not, it's an entirely different discussion!

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RE: shavian characters: a proposal rarnavon
09/09/03(Thu)23:59 No.401 []
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>>400

Better it being accounted for than otherwise. I think we could simply steal a better/functional script. Like the Ithkuil script. No harm in two constructed languages sharing a script is there? Least it seems to offer something.

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RE: shavian characters: a proposal rarnavon
09/09/04(Fri)00:00 No.403 []
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Umm, redo of the image.

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RE: shavian characters: a proposal la ramxinfo
11/07/29(Fri)02:36 No.627 []

>>401
Ithkuil script is very tightly bound to that language's grammar. One cannot just take phonetic rendition of lojban text and write it in ithkuil characters. And while there are some common ideas in lojban grammar and ithkuil grammar, they are distinct enough to make mapping between them a quite difficult task.

For instance: in theory, there is no distinction in ithkuil corresponding to the distinction between sumti and selbri. In practice, most of time, main word of predicate have some verbal categories indicators, and other words have case category indicator, so we can take and use case category marker from the ithkuil script and use it to represent FA, modal and tense place tags. But there is two complications for that use: first, idiosyncratic semantics of FA places for every gismu; and second, that what lojban modal/tense system is even more complex and rich than ithkuil's dozens of cases. And that's only one example of transcription difficulties.

So, while one can devise a system for using ithkuil script to represent lojban text, it (most probably) will be highly unpractical and artificial. Better to take ithkuil script as a model or a lesson and devise a lojban semantic script based on similar principles.

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Why Are You Interested in Lojban? .kriltic.
08/11/10(Mon)23:46 No.257
Why Are You Interested in Lojban? .kriltic. 08/11/10(Mon)23:46 No.257   [Reply] []

I know, for me, the most prominent reason is that I like knowing anything that others do not but about which I may share my knowledge.

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RE: Why Are You Interested in Lojban? cntrational
11/06/11(Sat)06:28 No.621 []

It's interesting.

Having to deal with idiotic anti-natlangists is annoying, though.

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RE: Why Are You Interested in Lojban? Aizies.
11/06/24(Fri)01:12 No.622 []

I'm interested in using it for planning out programs and documenting code. Plus I'm a linguistics student as well

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RE: Why Are You Interested in Lojban? Anonymous
11/07/15(Fri)00:08 No.624 []

I like it because I am starting to realize that I am an idealist..
Basically I like to do things the way I think they should be regardless of practicality.
So for me I see what lojban could be and I choose to learn and support it regardless of its current status

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larlermorna font ctino
10/11/24(Wed)06:35 No.604
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larlermorna font ctino 10/11/24(Wed)06:35 No.604   [Reply] []

I tried making a font for writing in larlermorna. It was really annoying because I don't have a proper font editing program, so I had to use FontStruct. There are some visible kerning issues. But, I think it looks pretty dandy. Tell me if there're issues you see and I /might/ be able to fix them.

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And! ctino
10/11/24(Wed)06:39 No.606 []
> = centered dot. Like for names, it looks nice.
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Fixed a problem ctino
10/11/24(Wed)06:52 No.607 []
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Fixed an issue with the '.

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RE: larlermorna font jifysmac
11/02/19(Sat)14:56 No.619 []

Just installed it; can't wait to use. Thanks kindly.

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ctinoscript font ctino
10/11/24(Wed)20:18 No.611
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ctinoscript font ctino 10/11/24(Wed)20:18 No.611   [Reply] []

Here's a font I made for writing in my script.
Some notes: - uses the [space] character. )@#$%^ are for dau fei gai jau rei vai respectively. ' creates a small H. If you're writing in lojban and want to keep all the characters on the same level just type H.

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new version ctino
10/11/30(Tue)08:45 No.612 []
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Here's a new version with a better (see fixed to be full-sized) space.

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Newest version ctino
10/11/30(Tue)21:34 No.613 []
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I editing the font, so it now includes some cool extra characters like @ and æ!
Please try it out :)
Sadly there aren't any combining diacritics in FontForge :( So I can't add those…

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I forgot to mention... ctino
10/11/30(Tue)21:35 No.614 []

ABCDE are now used for dau fei gai jau rei and vai to allow for the extra characters that were being used before to be included in the font.

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Elian Script variation ctino
10/11/24(Wed)06:55 No.608
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Elian Script variation ctino 10/11/24(Wed)06:55 No.608   [Reply] []

tl;dr: Elian Script variation for Lojban /and/ English. Please read attached file.

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The flag colours are ugly! la .lindar.
10/11/16(Tue)22:30 No.601
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The flag colours are ugly! la .lindar. 10/11/16(Tue)22:30 No.601   [Reply] []

Lots of people are saying that the flag colours are ugly. Personally, I like http://jbotcan.org/en/src/1283504008182.png these colours, but not everybody seems to agree entirely. So, ITT flag recolours and such!

For my first idea, I pictured merging the two flags to a reasonable mixture. The bridi-man serves also as the cartesian plane!

POST YOUR FLAGS!

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Too complex Anonymous
10/11/22(Mon)12:21 No.603 []

It is a bit troubling that it is so complex - a good flag needs to be able to be drawn by a seven year old.
The same applies to the linked picture, which could be good enough if it doesn't need to be 3D.

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pro-sumti and pro-bridi cheatsheet remod
10/10/08(Fri)21:41 No.580
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pro-sumti and pro-bridi cheatsheet remod 10/10/08(Fri)21:41 No.580   [Reply] []

In line with other attempts of mine to find a way to memorize the key cmavo, I've produced a "periodic table of pro-sumti and pro-bridi" (see attachment).
I really would appreciate any feedback.

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RE: pro-sumti and pro-bridi cheatsheet Zif
10/10/11(Mon)23:55 No.581 []

Thanks, this is very helpful.

I just have a few corrections: "brodi" is on the table three times. And "tipical" should be "typical".

Here is my pitiful attempt in Lojban. I would appreciate any corrections or suggestions:

ki'e do'u ti mutce sidju

.i mi facki so'u selsrera: .i krefu li ci tu'a zo brodi .i zoi gy tipical gy na drani .i ku'i zoi gy typical gy drani

fe'o mi'e zif

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Something out of this world. najrut
10/10/13(Wed)14:29 No.582 []

Thanks !

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RE: RE: pro-sumti and pro-bridi cheatsheet zort
10/11/20(Sat)16:45 No.602 []

doi zif mi stidi lo pu nu do basti cusku lu
.i mi facki so'u selsrera .i va'i krefu tu'a zo brodi li ci .i ji'a zoi gy tipical gy na.e zoi gy typical gy drani

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betterthanlakmeermorna la .lindar.
10/05/29(Sat)09:28 No.570
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betterthanlakmeermorna la .lindar. 10/05/29(Sat)09:28 No.570   [Reply] []

This is what happens during the event of alcoholfool. Probably better than artwritingsystem, this is betterthanlakmeermorna. Take that, Lakmeer! Tequila made this, so perhaps I should try the same thing on rum, whiskey, or vodka... >_>

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la lindar prami kmir
10/06/03(Thu)13:00 No.571 []

Only you could get alcoholfool and create a writing system. Most people just break stuff or get vomit on the floor around the toilet. Well done.

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Zbalermorna Final Version .kmir.
10/04/10(Sat)05:31 No.560
Zbalermorna Final Version .kmir. 10/04/10(Sat)05:31 No.560   [Reply] []

coi rodo
Sorry for long period of inactivity. Recently I've been satisfied with the state of ZLM and have begun creating a document which completely explains all the details and features and how to use them. It also includes a style guide and justifications for some of the decisions made during the iterative process. The final version is about 4.4.

Should be back here with a 20-ish page PDF in about a week.

ki'e
mi'e la kmir

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RE: Zbalermorna Final Version .nomen.
10/04/11(Sun)21:17 No.562 []

uisai .a'a .i'o .a'u

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RE: Zbalermorna Final Version Hussell
10/04/20(Tue)15:07 No.563 []

Maybe you should post something about your planned changes to the consonants? Comments about the vowels led to some changes. (Good ones, I think. See >>386)

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RE: Zbalermorna Final Version donri
10/05/21(Fri)23:28 No.565 []

ju'i kmir!

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te skina la .lindar.
10/05/09(Sun)07:14 No.564
te skina la .lindar. 10/05/09(Sun)07:14 No.564   [Reply] []

[23:08:21]<lindar>...I have an idea...
[23:15:37]Well, I wanted to do a silly kind of video thing. We could script out a basic conversation first. I would dial somebody on my mobile, then somebody else would pick up, and each time somebody had a line, it would cut to the other person.
[23:16:01]However, each time one person had a line, they would have to be in a different place.
[23:16:24]<Hugglesworth>hehe, sounds kinda fun
[23:16:39]<lindar>Not only that, but excepting the first shot (dialing/picking up) and the last shot (hanging up), every shot has to be done with a different object.
[23:17:28]First I dial, pickup, I'm speaking into a banana, you're talking into an apple, then I'm speaking into a light switch, then you could be walking around with a fish against the side of your head, etc.
[23:18:16]<Hugglesworth>sounds almost monty python esc.
[23:18:18]<lindar>Then I say, "Oh, hold on, I've got another call." and it does a close up of a notepad with a phone drawn on it, and I'll put a beep in when I press the "switch call" button.
[23:18:37]Then somebody else could join in.
[23:25:46]* Hugglesworth likes this idea
[23:27:21]<lindar>I would -love- to get lojbab in on this for one shot saying, "Sorry, wrong number." in English. I get another call, answer in Lojban, it switches to Lojbab looking confused, and he replies, "Uhhh... sorry, wrong number..."

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attitudinal emoticons .ku'us.
09/10/03(Sat)08:26 No.435
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attitudinal emoticons .ku'us. 09/10/03(Sat)08:26 No.435   [Reply] []

you may have seen the linked image before, maybe in a US public school guidance counselor's office.

Anyhow, anyone ever done a series of 108 emoticons / depictions of the attitudinal cmavo before? See attached PNG (original is an inkscape SVG). Note that each spectrum has either identical eye/eyebrows over each face, or a clear, unique flow from one extreme to the other (.a'u)

Such a collection of images could be used for flashcards, or just to replace that guidance counselor's poster with something more logical!

obviously some concerns here are to attempt to maintain cultural neutrality, and perhaps work to be PC (i.e. physical traits should not be clearly of a specific race/gender/diet-preference)

mu'omi'e .ku'us.

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RE: attitudinal emoticons djeims
09/10/05(Mon)18:41 No.443 []

>>442
Luckily for you, I hardly know any of these cmavo, and thus am more capable of making you feel bad about your good work:
PU - Get rid of the fainter hands. I don't think it could be understood without knowing what that class of cmavo is about. (But I suppose that's true about most everything on this)
ca'o - is covered up by the line
ma'a - could use arrows pointing to all three people
pa'o - I can't tell if that is under or through. And looking up the word, I see that it's actually "transfixing". So maybe having it go through a solid circle would be better.

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RE: attitudinal emoticons rarnavon
09/10/05(Mon)22:40 No.444 []

>>442 I like it! Although some of it feels a little messy. Can you number / name the diagrams?

Also, think you can get PA4 in there?

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*bump* djeims
10/04/05(Mon)20:03 No.554 []

>>442
Quite useful, it is, doi remod.

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