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on handwriting lamelnyk
09/11/29(Sun)09:36 No.543
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on handwriting lamelnyk 09/11/29(Sun)09:36 No.543   [Reply] []

I've tried to find a handwriting system, that is suitable for "infinite" media(paper) and to small one(touchpads on mobile devices, etc). And, finally, made it. It is too simple, so i've, probably, rediscovered already known. Original "inplace" version can be "ported" to four-positional joystick, found on some old phones and to "infinite" paper (done). It is (almost) direction-insensitive, "recognizing" program can "synchronize" it's coordinates with yours at first stroke on every word.

In short (in-place version): letters "starts" and "ends" in the arbitrary chosen "centre" (near the point, where the "pen" first lands on writing surface), and are distinguished by the direction of pen's "horizontal" movement near the 2 points at "vertical" extremes. We recognize 5 variants at each (--, -+, 0, +-, ++). That gives us 25 distinct letters. Not enough for natlangs, but almost perfect for lojban. Also, 2 "special" features (horizontal strokes in 2 directions) are available somewhere. I've used them for "'" and "y". Natlangs can use it to extend the letter space to at least 36. Another extension is possible by adding "microletters" at the bottom/top parts of some full-size letters. I've wanted to use it for lojban's diphthong, but that complicates the writing program, so that is postponed.

The system is easily adopted to infinite paper, by adding "time" to the "horizontal" axis on the "lower->upper" part of trajectory. Each letter, then, can be described as 2 points with cubic spline lines between them and to/from first/last points of adjacent letters.

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RE: on handwriting Hussell
09/12/08(Tue)17:48 No.546 []

"mi na e skami ciska to zo'e la syvygys" is incomprehensible. Decoding the example gives "mi na e lo selsampla ciska dei zo'e la syvygys", which would make a sensible sentence if "cu" were inserted between "selsampla" and "ciska". Rough translation: "A computer program, not I, wrote this using SVG".

How about the standard Lojban pangram: "o'i mu xagji sofybakni cu zvati le purdi"?

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RE: on handwriting Anonymous
09/12/08(Tue)18:52 No.547 []

>>545

I love that point.

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mu xagji sofybakni lamelnyk
09/12/09(Wed)21:15 No.550 []
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Sorry, i've made a lot of typos. To my excuse, i was too busy cleaning up python's :).
That time i've shifted the x-coordinates of asymmetrical "features", to make them a bit more visible. And copy-pasted your phrase, so it should be correct now :)

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streiteng Anonymous
09/12/08(Tue)22:49 No.548
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streiteng Anonymous 09/12/08(Tue)22:49 No.548   [Reply] []

Here's my orthography. Read and weep. The text says "streiteng iz a kriptik orthografee".

p b m

s c j z

t d

f th v th (voiced)

h x g k gk

r(d) r rr (rolled r) l n

o a u u(d) i i(d) e y

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Streiteng? la .lindar.
09/12/09(Wed)18:48 No.549 []

It looks interesting, but did you at any point bother to try to write it with a pencil or pen on an actual piece of paper? It looks unwritable.

Also, how can this be used for Lojban?
Is there anything featural about it?

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(more larlermorna!) la .lindar.
09/11/05(Thu)08:47 No.514
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(more larlermorna!) la .lindar. 09/11/05(Thu)08:47 No.514   [Reply] []

Here we have featured the diacritics featured in this script. The lovely thing about these is that they can be stuck -inside- the character if you desire, because they're just portions of boxes. I personally choose to write them as a superior (?) diacritic, as demonstrated in my examples.

Again, I apologise for the blurry pictures, but you can still see what I wrote fairly well.

So we have individual characters for each of the diphthongs, and then an underline to indicate initial U and an overline to indicate initial I. Easy enough, right?

Hugglesworth had an alternate idea, which I tested and found to be rather interesting, but there are still some failings. However, I really like the idea, almost more than my original idea for diacritics. I'll cover that next.

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RE: (more larlermorna!) Hugglesworth
09/11/17(Tue)18:33 No.539 []

Woa shit pafcribe, good catch. I'm not sure how that made it in there. I'm still not sure I like this arrangement. I might play with some flips latter on to get a better organization as the proper 'ei' drawing looks too similar too a 'n' for my liking. I've also been looking at replacing the dot in the third cycle with a crossing line for readability; like what you see on a Latin 't'.

Also lindar, I'm slowely adopting this for use in a hangul-like script as well as latin-like and cursive scripts. At the end of it all, my ideas might mutate to look pretty different from larlermorna.

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RE: (more larlermorna!) la .lindar.
09/11/18(Wed)03:31 No.540 []

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqdNNKJ1nvY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMs3u229Y8k
Overlining is initial I (.ia .ia .ii .io .iu) and underlining is initial U (.ua .ue .ui .uo .uu).

Watch the videos for a comprehensive guide.

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RE: (more larlermorna!) la .lindar.
09/11/18(Wed)04:37 No.542 []

>>539

Well, I guess I've already seen the Latin-like version of your script (left-to-right non-diacritic, right?). I can imagine what the hangul-like will be (kanji-esque gismu, etc.), but the idea of how the cursive script looks completely eludes me. It's very interesting!

I guess you have to credit me for inspiration. =P

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la jboselkei Hussell
09/11/15(Sun)15:33 No.522
la jboselkei Hussell 09/11/15(Sun)15:33 No.522   [Reply] []

I recently discovered la jboselkei (http://chain.lojban.org/jsk/), and it's... really very nice. (For those who haven't already seen it, it's a site for posting non-Lojban texts, Lojban translations of those texts, and reviews of the translations, with a wonderfully complicated rating system. You don't have to give your email address or location to register, despite being requested.)

Does anyone here know who created and/or maintains la jboselkei? I want to ask if a page showing recent activity, e.g., new posts, translations, and reviews, could be added, since it's currently quite difficult to tell whether anything is happening. It would also be better if unregistered (or logged-out) users could read the translations and reviews.

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RE: la jboselkei Hussell
09/11/16(Mon)14:54 No.526 []

>>524

Alright, I guess I'd like to have a look at the code. I take it you're the person to ask?

>>525

Well, they're talking about data involving hundreds of millions of words. I think it'll be a long time before Lojban will have that much text available.

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RE: la jboselkei Anonymous
09/11/16(Mon)21:51 No.529 []

>>526 You are right, and I do know that. But wishful thinking. :) Plus I am kind of skeptical if that method can produce grammatical lojban at all.

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RE: la jboselkei la timos
09/11/17(Tue)12:52 No.531 []

>>526 no, i am not. ask rlp, he can give you access.

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le larlermorna, the Lojbanic writing system based on CC Elian's "Elian Script". la .lindar.
09/11/05(Thu)08:39 No.513
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le larlermorna, the Lojbanic writing system based on CC Elian's "Elian Script". la .lindar. 09/11/05(Thu)08:39 No.513   [Reply] []

Well, here I shall post my (extremely blurry) pictures regarding larlermorna. First I shall post a basic explanation. These activities are authorised by CC Elian, who requests that I demo anything to him and mention him as the original inventor.

Refer to the image for a basic explanation of how this works. <3

First we look at the basics. This should be self-explanatory. Hash grid, write the box, etc. Voiced versions get a long leg like in Elian Script's 'second cycle' letters.

http://www.ccelian.com/concepca.html

(I apologise for my blurry pictures.)

Yes, Y is a consonant under my writing system. Seeing as Y is always -always- -ALWAYS- used to separate rafsi (shut up, I know not -always- but let's just assume for a second to make life easy), I made it a consonant to give a visual representation and queue that they are two rafsi stuck together. As soon as you see it, you think, "Oh! Something is weird with this word!" and you pay closer attention.

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larlermorna pictograph/calligraph la .lindar.
09/11/05(Thu)14:06 No.518 []
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Well, the rest of the thread continues http://jbotcan.org/ideas/res/514.html here cos I'm stupid.

Anyway, as requested, here is a (somewhat poor) example of calligraphic/pictographic use of larlermorna while keeping the diacritics in use. Somebody with more talent (and a better pen) should post another example following this idea.

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larlermorna pictograph/calligraph la .lindar.
09/11/05(Thu)14:09 No.519 []
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Ugh. >_< Sorry, you need to flip that 90* to view it correctly.

Here's a picture of me looking as dumb as I am.
(Taken in my MIDI Theory class.)

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A skina about larlermorna. la .lindar.
09/11/15(Sun)16:34 No.523 []

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqdNNKJ1nvY

Enjoy! Second half is coming up some time today.

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lojban typography remod
09/10/22(Thu)10:01 No.481
lojban typography remod 09/10/22(Thu)10:01 No.481   [Reply] []

I typeset and printed "lo nu binxo", translated by xorxes, for reading it when I'm away from a computer.

I've not found any suggestion for typesetting lojban so I thought we could put together something.

For example:
- {ni'o} always starts a new paragraph
- {.i} never appears at the end of a line by itself
- {.i} is surrounded by x% more space
- the dot of {.i} is enlarged by x% or rendered in bold
- Capter, Sections, subsections etc are numbered using more than one {pi} : "1.2.5 ..." {ni'o papirepimu ...}
- footnotes should be ....???
- bullet lists ???
- if not omitted, {fa'e} must be typeset on a separated line
- ...

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RE: lojban typography lazni
09/10/31(Sat)05:08 No.500 []

>>498

The second link is my machine on a ddns domain, so it is only accurate when I'm online.

I have changed the section counter to "mo'oxire"

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RE: lojban typography Hussell
09/10/31(Sat)23:20 No.501 []

>>500

Seems a bit over-engineered to me. I might do "1mo'oxi1 1mo'oxi2 2mo'oxi2" or "1mo'o 1pi'e1mo'o 1pi'e2mo'o", but not both.

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RE: lojban typography tijlan
09/11/03(Tue)15:47 No.503 []

>>499

>← (zu'a, perhaps?)

I would say "di'u".

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Lojbanic 'folk' music. la .lindar.
09/11/01(Sun)07:57 No.502
Lojbanic 'folk' music. la .lindar. 09/11/01(Sun)07:57 No.502   [Reply] []

http://jbotcan.org/sance/res/23.html

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doubleplusunbad attitudinals djeims
09/10/28(Wed)08:01 No.495
doubleplusunbad attitudinals djeims 09/10/28(Wed)08:01 No.495   [Reply] []

I'm sure you've all been kept up late at nights worrying about the following situation:

Abus: "xu do prami mi"
Bybus: ".iu-"
Abus: "uisaicai"
Bybus: ".nai"
Abus: "oisaicai"

So, rather than waiting for you to close your elidable terminators, parenthesis, zoi quotes, lu quotes, le'u quotes, and mouth (not to forget mention of si, sa, and su), I propose an informal guideline for spoken attitudinals:

Positive (default): Rising intonation
Negative: Falling intonation
Neutral: Wavering/dipping intonation
Hasn't heard of this, doesn't agree, can't be bothered : No intonation

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Anonymous
08/04/28(Mon)18:38 No.7
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Anonymous 08/04/28(Mon)18:38 No.7   [Reply] []

Street art is an excellent way to get a message out simply because of the massive number of people who view a given work, and if talented artists that also speak a little Lojban could get the permission to do legal street art it would definitely help Lojban reach a mass group of people and not the isolated status it has now.

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RE: tijlan
09/10/26(Mon)11:19 No.493 []

I agree on its effectiveness.

Some months ago on the beginners' mailing list people briefly discussed about promoting Lojban. I noted Totus' comment:

> I have volunteered twice [...] The only response I got was that we should not actively promote until the language was 'finished' - which I think means at least the cmavo definitions should be completed.
>
> In any case, promotion of lojban should be a 'strategic' objective owned by the LLG. I don't mind doing the work, but there need to be clear objectives set by the Board, reviewed for progress periodically etc.

If the community isn't prepared to provide good up-to-date basic resources such as a dictionary with articulate definitions of useful cmavo & lujvo, the promotion wouldn't be optimally effective as to present the language in its ready-to-use status. But also it seems true that we need more people to carry out the preparation itself. Lojbab said:

> There is no shortage of ideas on how to spread Lojban. There is a gross shortage of person-hours.
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